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b0b GeekCrew Administrator FTP Server Offline The revolution will not be televised. Posts: 7803 Location: Battle Creek, Michigan Joined: Oct 15^th, 2005 Gender:	Forum Network Upgrades - (Now With Pictures!) Oct 12^th, 2007 at 3:15pm	Print Post
	In preparation for my CCNA (Cisco) exam, I've been buying some old Cisco equipment to do some training with. Most of it will arrive early next week, and I'll be replacing my Linksys/3Com stuff with it over the next couple weeks. There will be some downtime on certain evenings while I get everything swapped out and get the Cisco router and switch programmed correctly. Here's a few pictures (from the eBay ads) of my new toys: This is the Cisco 1760 router I found. I got a pretty good deal on it. This will connect directly to the cable modem until I buy a PIX firewall sometime toward the end of the year. This is the switch I bought. I needed to get a pretty specific model that would support all of the features I have to study. I've done a lot of work on Cisco routers, but switches are a whole new matter. This is the adapter card that allows the router to communicate with Ethernet devices, such as the switch and the cable modem. I bought these from a guy in Hong Kong, so I can only hope they work right. These bad boys go in the expansion bays on the switch and allow me to use fiber optic cabling to connect to other network devices. I don't actually have any of those devices yet, but I'm thinking about adding a fiber optic NIC to the server for some extra fun. Once everything arrives and I get it all put together, I'll take some pics of the final products! -b0b (...is excited!)
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computerjuvenile GeekCrew Luser Offline Posts: 154 Location: Houghton, Michigan Joined: Oct 31^st, 2005 Gender:	Re: Forum Network Upgrades Reply #1 - Oct 14^th, 2007 at 6:38pm	Print Post
	Do you find it useful to even use switches? Switches only have one broadcast domain I believe, so in my class they recommend when you can just to use routers. For that NIC that you showed that allows ethenet devices to connect like a router to a switch, you use a rollover cable right? Sorry I'm just a student, trying to learn.

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Vendex GeekCrew n00b Offline Got r00t? Posts: 22 Location: Marcellus, Michigan Joined: Dec 17^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Forum Network Upgrades Reply #2 - Oct 14^th, 2007 at 6:46pm	Print Post
	Oh my gosh... I like the new toys Bob. I have been in the process of building my new super duper computer. I think I went a little over the top on picking out a case. It is huge and has some weight to it!!! It is a Cooler Master Cosmos case. The case is the size of a Dell 2800 Server and weighs just under 40 lbs. Here is a list of my componets: Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 @ 2.6 GHz 2 GB of RAM NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTS with 340 MB memory 2 500 GB SATA drives in RAID 1 (I want some protection) SATA DVD+RW Burner Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 Motherboard Floppy 750 W PC Power & Cooling Power Supply Windows Vista Ultimate After Rebates, taxes, shipping, sweat equity, the final total is just under $1,500.

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b0b GeekCrew Administrator FTP Server Offline The revolution will not be televised. Posts: 7803 Location: Battle Creek, Michigan Joined: Oct 15^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Forum Network Upgrades Reply #4 - Oct 14^th, 2007 at 7:00pm	Print Post
	Wow, Rod, that's an awesome case setup! I'm completely jealous of the specs! My system is getting badly outdated, but I'm planning on building a new system next spring. My switch is supposed to arrive Wednesday, and I'm guessing the other cards will arrive sometime next week. It's good to see you again, Rodney! Come around more often! -b0b (...points out that you've been registered for 666 days. Spooky!)


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Stick@school GeekCrew Pedestrian Offline Personal Text: Posts: 91 Joined: Jun 6^th, 2006	Re: Forum Network Upgrades Reply #5 - Oct 15^th, 2007 at 10:08am	Print Post
	That was the exact rig I was going to build here pretty soon but my tuition bill prevented that. I would say I was going to get all the same hardware except I was going to go with one 500GB HDD and probably wouldn't get that case(overkill). That case is sweet though, top of the line. What did the cost come out to?

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b0b GeekCrew Administrator FTP Server Offline The revolution will not be televised. Posts: 7803 Location: Battle Creek, Michigan Joined: Oct 15^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Forum Network Upgrades Reply #6 - Oct 15^th, 2007 at 11:45am	Print Post
	Nice Dell PowerEdge by the way. It should strike you as cruelly ironic that your desktop weighs more than your server! -b0b (...thinks his PC weighs 3x as much as his server.)


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b0b GeekCrew Administrator FTP Server Offline The revolution will not be televised. Posts: 7803 Location: Battle Creek, Michigan Joined: Oct 15^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Forum Network Upgrades Reply #7 - Oct 15^th, 2007 at 11:57am	Print Post
	Sorry, I somehow managed to entirely overlook your post. Let me see if I can answer your question. computerjuvenile wrote on Oct 14^th, 2007 at 6:38pm: Do you find it useful to even use switches? Switches only have one broadcast domain I believe, so in my class they recommend when you can just to use routers. Routers and switches are entirely different beasts. They're typically used in conjunction with one another, and in most modern networks, having one is useless without the other. A switch is just a glorified hub (the full name of a switch is a "switching hub") and it only serves to connect a bunch of devices together. It only has one broadcast domain (by default) because it only has one domain to interact with. Physically speaking, the switch is the domain. Managed switches like the Cisco Catalyst and HP ProCurve can have multiple broadcast domains by using VLAN's (virtual LAN's), separating one group of ports from another. A router, on the other hand, has at least two domains by its very definition. A router routes packets from one domain to another. A bigger router like a Cisco 1700 series can route to three, four, even five domains through expansion ports. A broadcast domain is just a logical network segment. When you connect your computer to a switch, any other device you can contact without going through a router (like another PC, a server, or a printer) is on the same broadcast domain. Routers strip out broadcast packets to reduce WAN traffic, so your packet leaves the broadcast domain when it passes through the router. 95% of the time, there is no reason to have more than one broadcast domain for a small/medium-sized network. Unless you're connecting multiple offices together in different geographical locations, you can use a single broadcast domain and cut down on your TCP overhead! Quote: For that NIC that you showed that allows ethenet devices to connect like a router to a switch, you use a rollover cable right? No, that WIC (WAN Interface Card) uses the same cabling as any other router. Rollover cables are only commonly used to connect to a console port. For instance, the cable that runs from the 1760's console port to a serial port adapter is a rollover cable. Quote: Sorry I'm just a student, trying to learn. Hey, we all have to learn somehow! -b0b (...hopes he's been helpful.)


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b0b GeekCrew Administrator FTP Server Offline The revolution will not be televised. Posts: 7803 Location: Battle Creek, Michigan Joined: Oct 15^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Forum Network Upgrades Reply #8 - Oct 15^th, 2007 at 12:03pm	Print Post
	By the way, if it helps, I can post a Visio document to help illustrate what I'm talking about. -b0b (...shrugs.)


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b0b GeekCrew Administrator FTP Server Offline The revolution will not be televised. Posts: 7803 Location: Battle Creek, Michigan Joined: Oct 15^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Forum Network Upgrades Reply #9 - Oct 16^th, 2007 at 8:57am	Print Post
	Here's the example I was talking about... This is a schematic that shows how I intend to build out my home network. You'll see two broadcast domains that separate my "secure" systems from the web-accessible server. The only natively inbound traffic that will be allowed through the second router is e-mail and Active Directory traffic from the DMZ server. The only reason why you would ever break up a broadcast domain simply for the sake of breaking one up would be when your network grows over 750-1,000 devices on a single logical segment. At that point, you'll have enough broadcast traffic that you'll probably start to saturate your backbone. A lot of older networking books (or older network folks, for that matter) will tell you to break up your broadcast domain at 150-200 hosts, but that's a very outdated number. These days, the typical PC sends out a lot less broadcast traffic than they used to, relying instead on directed communications. Moreover, most enterprise switches (even cheap-o unmanaged switches) use integrated ARP tables to respond to MAC resolution requests, so it's very possible that IP-to-MAC resolutions will be handled at the same switch the PC is on. That would prevent it from being propagated across the entire network segment, thereby significantly reducing broadcast traffic on a network-wide scale. Another nail in the coffin is simple bandwidth growth. Back in the day when your entire network was on a 14MB Token Ring MAU, there was a good reason to keep broadcast traffic to a minimum. With gigabit ethernet becoming the norm, there is really no reason to overcomplicate a smaller network simply to reduce broadcast traffic that is no longer representing a significant portion of overall network traffic. If you want a bigger version of the schematic I posted above (so you can actually read the text), click here. -b0b (...will attach a bigger version of the schema in the next post.)

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computerjuvenile GeekCrew Luser Offline Posts: 154 Location: Houghton, Michigan Joined: Oct 31^st, 2005 Gender:	Re: Forum Network Upgrades Reply #10 - Oct 16^th, 2007 at 10:14pm	Print Post
	hey, thanks for the posts. I appreciate the help, networking is finally starting to get fun for me. In my networking class, which happens to be my first one, we're finishing up the basics like the OSI model, tcp layers, DoD layers, ethernet packets and stuff like that. We're starting to use protocals like FTP, SSH, andand other protocals and getting into IP addressing. I actually just subnetted my first network (just on Visio), which I'm sort of proud of. This is what he had us do. He gave us the devices, I just had to come up with the design, and the IP addresses. Don't laugh too hard. I just hope it's right

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Stick@school GeekCrew Pedestrian Offline Personal Text: Posts: 91 Joined: Jun 6^th, 2006	Re: Forum Network Upgrades Reply #11 - Oct 17^th, 2007 at 9:01am	Print Post
	The internet is in northern russia?! I knew it.

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b0b GeekCrew Administrator FTP Server Offline The revolution will not be televised. Posts: 7803 Location: Battle Creek, Michigan Joined: Oct 15^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: Forum Network Upgrades Reply #12 - Oct 17^th, 2007 at 11:05am	Print Post
	That looks like a good start, Attebizzle! I've got a question, though. Why do you have a serial connection running between the two 2621 routers? You've segmented your two broadcast domains with a firewall at the edge of each, but then you connect the two together a second time using a serial connection. That seems to defeat the purpose of having a second firewall. What kind of traffic will you be passing over the serial connection? One tip: When you're adding cabling to your Visio diagram, you can tuck the line behind the devices it is attached to. Right click on the line and select Shape, then Send to Back. It improves the appearance of network diagrams a thousand-fold. Typically, the only time you want your lines to overlay a device would be when you're connecting to a specific port on that device and you need your illustration to be exact. I'll attach an example. In the image below, the lines are on top of the 2620 router because the ethernet cabling must run to specific ports (FE0/0, FE1/0, etc) for the network to function properly. Since I added the WIC's to the router stencil in Visio, I can actually run the lines to the ports they're going to plug into. On the server, however, there is no visible port. The line runs to the server and is then "tucked" underneath the server stencil, leading to a cleaner diagram. -b0b (...thinks your diagram looks great!)

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b0b GeekCrew Administrator FTP Server Offline The revolution will not be televised. Posts: 7803 Location: Battle Creek, Michigan Joined: Oct 15^th, 2005 Gender:	You're Not Going to Believe This! Reply #13 - Oct 17^th, 2007 at 6:39pm	Print Post
	The new switch arrived today. I've only been playing with it for a few minutes, but I found something interesting... The distributor I bought it from on eBay wiped the configuration before he sent it to me, which is expected. Before I reconfigured the router for my network, I wanted to copy the IOS (operating system) over to my PC so I could have a backup copy available in case the one on the router somehow became damaged. As I was copying over the IOS file, I noticed this... Do you see the very last file on the list, config.old? As the name implies, that was an old copy of the configuration file that used to run on the router. Some administrator had probably created a copy of the switch configuration before he made some changes. Being the curious guy that I am, I copied the old config over to my PC and cracked it open to see if I could figure out who used to own my switch. Sure enough, I found this... Quote: ! ! Last configuration change at 08:26:42 EST Mon Feb 13 2006 by mAl!bu ! NVRAM config last updated at 08:29:18 EST Mon Feb 13 2006 by mAl!bu ! version 12.0 no service pad service timestamps debug datetime msec localtime service timestamps log datetime msec localtime service password-encryption ! hostname russ-agg-sc-1 ! logging buffered notifications logging console informational logging monitor informational logging trap notifications logging 156.33.217.57 logging 156.33.243.25 enable secret 5 <Redacted by b0b> ! username mAl!bu password 7 <Redacted by b0b> ! ! ! ! clock timezone EST -5 clock summer-time EDT recurring spanning-tree uplinkfast ! no spanning-tree vlan 557 no spanning-tree vlan 558 no spanning-tree vlan 564 no spanning-tree vlan 566 no spanning-tree vlan 569 no spanning-tree vlan 570 no spanning-tree vlan 571 no spanning-tree vlan 573 no spanning-tree vlan 576 no spanning-tree vlan 577 no spanning-tree vlan 579 no spanning-tree vlan 580 no spanning-tree vlan 585 no spanning-tree vlan 590 no spanning-tree vlan 591 no spanning-tree vlan 592 no spanning-tree vlan 594 no spanning-tree vlan 599 no spanning-tree vlan 612 no spanning-tree vlan 753 no spanning-tree vlan 763 no spanning-tree vlan 773 no spanning-tree vlan 800 no spanning-tree vlan 806 no spanning-tree vlan 824 no spanning-tree vlan 842 no spanning-tree vlan 846 no spanning-tree vlan 848 no spanning-tree vlan 851 no spanning-tree vlan 852 no spanning-tree vlan 968 no spanning-tree vlan 969 no spanning-tree vlan 970 no spanning-tree vlan 971 no spanning-tree vlan 992 no spanning-tree vlan 993 no spanning-tree vlan 995 no spanning-tree vlan 996 no spanning-tree vlan 998 no spanning-tree vlan 1000 no spanning-tree vlan 780 no spanning-tree vlan 572 no spanning-tree vlan 72 no spanning-tree vlan 565 no spanning-tree vlan 19 no spanning-tree vlan 519 no spanning-tree vlan 81 no spanning-tree vlan 793 ip subnet-zero ip domain-name senate.gov ip name-server 156.33.189.135 ip name-server 156.33.250.10 ! ! ! interface FastEthernet0/1 description talent-sc3 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 switchport access vlan 50 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/2 description rules no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 switchport access vlan 146 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/3 no logging event link-status duplex full no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/4 description hutchison no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 switchport access vlan 85 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/5 description clinton no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 switchport access vlan 64 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/6 description clinton no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 switchport access vlan 64 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/7 description chambliss no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 switchport access vlan 20 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/8 description chambliss no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 switchport access vlan 20 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/9 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/10 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/11 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/12 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/13 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/14 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/15 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/16 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/17 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/18 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/19 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/20 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/21 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/22 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/23 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet0/24 no logging event link-status duplex full speed 100 no snmp trap link-status spanning-tree portfast ! interface FastEthernet1/1 switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport mode trunk ! interface FastEthernet1/2 switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport mode trunk ! interface VLAN1 no ip address no ip directed-broadcast no ip route-cache shutdown ! interface VLAN780 ip address 10.3.255.101 255.255.255.0 no ip directed-broadcast no ip route-cache ntp broadcast client ! ip default-gateway 10.3.255.254 no ip http server access-list 1 permit 10.0.0.0 0.255.255.255 access-list 1 permit 172.16.0.0 0.15.255.255 access-list 1 permit 156.33.187.0 0.0.0.255 access-list 1 permit 156.33.188.0 0.0.0.255 access-list 1 permit 156.33.222.64 0.0.0.31 access-list 1 permit 156.33.240.0 0.0.0.255 access-list 1 permit 156.33.241.0 0.0.0.255 access-list 1 permit 156.33.243.0 0.0.0.255 access-list 1 permit 156.33.250.0 0.0.0.255 access-list 1 permit 156.33.251.0 0.0.0.255 access-list 1 permit 156.33.252.0 0.0.0.255 access-list 1 permit 156.33.253.0 0.0.0.255 access-list 10 permit 156.33.243.0 0.0.0.63 access-list 10 permit 156.33.217.48 0.0.0.15 snmp-server engineID local <Redacted by b0b> snmp-server community <Redacted by b0b> snmp-server community <Redacted by b0b> snmp-server enable traps snmp authentication linkdown linkup coldstart snmp-server enable traps config snmp-server enable traps entity snmp-server enable traps hsrp snmp-server enable traps c2900 snmp-server enable traps mac-notification snmp-server enable traps vtp snmp-server enable traps cluster snmp-server host 156.33.217.55 trap <Redacted by b0b> snmp-server host 156.33.243.13 trap <Redacted by b0b> ! line con 0 transport input none stopbits 1 line vty 0 3 access-class 1 in login local transport preferred none line vty 4 access-class 1 in password 7 030C5E2A0A1B29551D login line vty 5 15 login local transport preferred none ! ntp clock-period 22518031 ntp server 156.33.243.130 ntp server 156.33.216.203 end The IP address resolves back to the US Senate Sergeant at Arms in Washington, DC. The interface names almost undoubtedly refer to Saxby Chambliss, Kay Bailey Hutchison, and - get this - Hillary frickin' Clinton. Yeah, that's right - I've got Hillary Clinton's switch sitting in my office right now. This might be the craziest thing that's ever happened. -b0b (...can't believe it.)


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computerjuvenile GeekCrew Luser Offline Posts: 154 Location: Houghton, Michigan Joined: Oct 31^st, 2005 Gender:	Re: Forum Network Upgrades Reply #14 - Oct 17^th, 2007 at 6:51pm	Print Post
	That's pretty flippin' cool. James Rogers, one of the most conservative people I know, connected (sort of) to Hilliary Clinton. Our professor actually just introduced is to IOS, and wants us to play with it. He gave us a program that the CNSA program found that allows you to emulate routers, and networks and such. I think the program is called packet sniffer.

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