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Reply #90 - Sep 9th, 2006 at 6:12pm
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ya that article made me a bit mad. I guess ive evolved to not like free thought and whatnot.
  

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Reply #91 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 1:26am
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Evolution is also responsible for grass, the belief in the Spice Girls, the formation of the Macareana, the phenomenon of the Hot Pocket's center being colder than absolute zero, and the roundness of planets from square pegs from space alines.

People need to start doing real science.  Don't we have a planet that's about to die or something...come on...work on that.

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Reply #92 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 3:24pm
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That article sucked.  All it really said was, "Some guy has a theory, which is this..."  Nowhere did it provide any substantiation for his belief, merely that he had one.

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Reply #93 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 4:41pm
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Oh come on now Bob...that's what science is today.  This is the reflextion of post modernism has had on the world and esp the world of science.  It's whatever one person thinks is correct and ok for him/her.  Science is quickly becoming a indiviudalistic movement.

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Reply #94 - Sep 13th, 2006 at 7:25pm
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Study finds Neanderthals survived longer

By MALCOLM RITTER, Associated Press Writer Wed Sep 13, 4:12 PM ET

NEW YORK - Neanderthals survived for thousands of years longer than scientists thought, with small lingering bands finding refuge in a massive cave near the southern tip of Spain, new research suggests.
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The work contends that Neanderthals were using a cave in Gibraltar at least 2,000 years later than their presence had been firmly documented anywhere before, researchers said.

"Maybe these are the last ones," said Clive Finlayson of The Gibraltar Museum, who reported the findings Wednesday with colleagues on the Web site of the journal Nature.

The paper says charcoal samples from fires that Neanderthals set in the cave are about 28,000 years old and maybe just 24,000 years old.

Experts are divided on how strong a case the paper makes.

Neanderthals were stocky, muscular hunters in Europe and western Asia who appeared more than 200,000 years ago. They died out after anatomically modern humans arrived in Europe some 35,000 to 40,000 years ago and spread west into Neanderthal territory.

Scientists have long been fascinated by the last days of the Neanderthals. Were they doomed because they couldn't compete with the encroaching modern humans for resources, or because they caught new germs from the moderns, or because of climate change? Did the two groups have much contact, and what kind?

They didn't appear to encounter each other in Gibraltar at Gorham's Cave. More than 5,000 years separate the last traces of the Neanderthals from the earliest evidence of modern humans, Finlayson said. He believes the area near the cave contained small bands of Neanderthals and of advancing moderns at the same time, but over a large and varied landscape. So it's not clear if the two groups ever met, he said.

The Neanderthals probably roamed a large area and used the cave periodically as a place to cook, eat and sleep, he said. The cave has yielded butchered bones of such animals as wild goat and deer, and remains of mussels and shellfish. At the time of the Neanderthals, the Mediterranean Sea was about three miles away; rising sea level has since brought the water to within a few dozen yards.

Experts said the region is a likely place to find the last vestiges of Neanderthals, because it's the tip of a geographic cul-de-sac that leads away from central Europe.

Eric Delson of Lehman College in the Bronx and the American Museum of Natural History, who did not participate in the research, said the paper's 28,000-year-old date seems secure but that its case for Neanderthal presence after that is shaky.

Even the older date is the only clear evidence of Neanderthals anywhere after 30,000 years ago, he said. But there have been prior claims of "the last Neanderthal" that were eventually shot down, and whether this one will hold up remains to be seen, he said.

Other experts are less convinced.

Paul Mellars, a professor of prehistory and human evolution at Cambridge University, said he believes the range of radiocarbon dating evidence in the paper suggests ages more like 31,000 or 32,000 years for the charcoal. Contamination by younger material might have skewed some radiocarbon results toward more recent dates, he observed.

Even with the older dates, the paper would be important because it would represent one of the last Neanderthal occupations in Europe, he said.

But paleoanthropologist Richard Klein of Stanford University said it's questionable whether the charcoal fragments really date Neanderthal presence. Neanderthal artifacts appear to be sparsely distributed in the deposit, and their spatial relationship to the charcoal needs to be specified more clearly, he said.

Finlayson said he's comfortable with the 24,000-year figure and called the 28,000-year estimate conservative. There's no evidence of contamination with younger material and chemical analysis argues against it, he said.

As for the Neanderthal artifacts, he said, their location within the excavated site shows they're associated with the dated charcoal. And there aren't any artifacts from modern humans associated with the charcoal, he said.


You mean something which evolution said was absolute fact has been slightly WRONG?!  I...I am shocked...appalled even.  Here I thought we KNEW that they lived for a short period...I mean we KNEW it.  Now you're saying we're changing out...interpretation of the data we had to come up with a more accurate theory?  That's...that's almost like science or something!!!  Now if they would only look at the background factors they take as objective facts we could be done with evolution forever!!!

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Reply #95 - Sep 18th, 2006 at 5:30pm
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Milky Way's Formation Theory Questioned

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The Milky Way might not have formed through the merger of several smaller galaxies as previously thought, but by some other unknown process, a new study suggests.

Home to our solar system and viewable in our own backyards, this crowd of stars called the Milky Way offers astronomers one of the best chances for understanding how a galaxy forms.

"The Milky Way is the only galaxy in the universe that we can study in detail. Still, we haven't yet understood how it did form," Manuela Zoccali of the Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics at the Pontifical Catholic University of Chile told SPACE.com. "Shedding light on its formation is fundamental to understand how all the galaxies in the universe have formed."

Parts of our galaxy

The Milky Way, often seen from Earth as a hazy halo of stars in the night sky, is a spiral galaxy with several arms of gas, dust and stars, coiling out from a spherical nucleus in the shape of a flattened disk. The starry center is called a bulge because it protrudes from the flattened disk.

Until now, the best theoretical models predicted dwarf galaxies beget larger and larger galaxies, as multiple star packs clumped together or a heftier galaxy started gobbling up its neighbors. If this were the case for the Milky Way, Zoccali said, the stars in the galactic bulge should have once been part of the disk. Over eons, as more galactic mergers occurred, some of the stars should be tugged toward the center to form the bulge.

"We have proved that this is not the case," Zoccali said.

Using the European Southern Observatory's Very Large Telescope (VLT) array in Paranal, Chile, an international team of astronomers, led by Zoccali, examined the chemical makeup of 50 giant stars in the direction of the galactic bulge. They discovered the stars at the center of the Milky Way showed distinct element amounts compared to the disk stars, a sign that the two galaxy components formed separately.

"In other words, bulge stars did not originate in the disk and then migrate inward to build up the bulge but rather formed independently of the disk," Zoccali said.

They detailed their findings in the current issue of the journal Astronomy and Astrophysics.

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In essence, by cracking these chemical codes, the astronomers were able to peer back in time at the stars' births.

Just before a star is born, its dusty neighborhood in space is swirling with interstellar matter. The chemical elements within the matter vary over time and location. So stars born from one batch of dust and gas would hold a different chemical make-up than stars born in another cosmic cloud.

The chemical codes also hold other clues. "What you're really seeing when you look at these chemical fingerprints is a star formation rate, or a star formation history," Verne Smith, at the University of Texas at El Paso, said in a telephone interview.

Two key chemical markers are oxygen and iron. Oxygen is predominantly produced during the explosion of massive, short-lived stars called Type II supernovae, while iron originates in the explosion of longer-lived stars called Type Ia supernovae. As these stars are blown to pieces, they spew their innards into interstellar space where it becomes the seeds for other stars.

Basically, if a star is loaded with oxygen with minimal iron the star may have developed at a lightning-fast rate, scientists explain.

Bulge forms fast

The astronomers found that the stars within the bulge contain more oxygen relative to iron than their counterparts out in the disk, where we reside.

By comparing the chemical compositions of the stars with computer models, the astronomers suggest the galactic bulge formed in less than a billion years, most likely as a result of a series of starbursts when the universe was young.

How did the independent star gangs hook up? "We astronomers really haven't figured out this part yet," Zoccali said.


Oh it formed by some unknown process?!  Brilliant!!! That's science!!! HOT DOG!  Therefore, my theory that it formed from a unicorn and a demon gnome mating is just as reasonable as anything.  Also, when did people start to question the status quo.  I thought we knew everything about the formation of the universe?!
  

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Reply #96 - Sep 18th, 2006 at 7:34pm
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I find that professor's university to be a bit ironic.

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Reply #97 - Sep 19th, 2006 at 12:06am
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Well, some people consider "pure" science to be always proving things wrong.  And sure, I think they do question the status quo, its just that most of them are 100% committed to a naturalistic origin, probably withou realizing their bias.
  
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Reply #98 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 6:48pm
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I now believe evolution!!!

http://www.break.com/index/guinness_evolution_ad.html

See vid above.

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Reply #99 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 10:04pm
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well now that its presented visually, in a way that COULD NOT be faked... you have to believe.

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Reply #100 - Oct 25th, 2006 at 8:56am
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Uh oh, that looks like conclusive evidence to me.  It's time to pack our bags, guys, we're going home.

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Reply #101 - Oct 25th, 2006 at 7:04pm
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Ahh see this is why I love stupid scientists.  Even when they try to be funny they never fully understand what the heck they are talking about.  I will post the story and then comment.

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Vampires a Mathematical Impossibility, Scientist Says

Sara Goudarzi
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A researcher has come up with some simple math that sucks the life out of the vampire myth, proving that these highly popular creatures can't exist.

University of Central Florida physics professor Costas Efthimiou's work debunks pseudoscientific ideas, such as vampires and zombies, in an attempt to enhance public literacy. Not only does the public believe in such topics, but the percentages are at dangerously high level, Efthimiou told LiveScience.

Legend has it that vampires feed on human blood and once bitten a person turns into a vampire and starts feasting on the blood of others.

Efthimiou's debunking logic: On Jan 1, 1600, the human population was 536,870,911. If the first vampire came into existence that day and bit one person a month, there would have been two vampires by Feb. 1, 1600.  A month later there would have been four, and so on. In just two-and-a-half years the original human population would all have become vampires with nobody left to feed on.

If mortality rates were taken into consideration, the population would disappear much faster. Even an unrealistically high reproduction rate couldn't counteract this effect.

"In the long run, humans cannot survive under these conditions, even if our population were doubling each month," Efthimiou said. "And doubling is clearly way beyond the human capacity of reproduction."

So whatever you think you see prowling around on Oct. 31, it most certainly won't turn you into a vampire.


I would to state again that this "doctor" is a moron.

1) A vampire's bite doesn't turn the victim into a vampire, only drinking the blood of another vampire from the victim turns that victim into a vampire.  This guy needs to be "accurate in his public literacy" that he's oh so striving to obtain.

2) Vampires aren't stupid.  They feed on humans yes, but they can also drink the blood of other animals and even feed on dead people.  Although they prefer fresh blood as well as the fear induced adrenaline pumping through it.

I again say, that this guy is adding to what he's trying to defeat...pseudo-science.  Not to mention he doesn't even take into account energy vampires which drain life forces from people and still renders them alive, although drained of energy.  This guy needs a better hobby.
  

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Reply #102 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 10:35am
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yeah, the new hobby of finding the cure for cancer and aids, or at least one life-threatening diesease.


i hate "scientists" like this.

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Reply #103 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 11:06am
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It's like saying cycled-cell anemia protects you from malria and therefore is a beneficial mutation.  Yeah it's like saying that cutting off your feet protects you from atheletes foot!

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Reply #104 - Oct 28th, 2006 at 9:52pm
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